Message Forum - Read Message

Category: All Things Ethanol > Topics	Add to favorite topics Post New Topic

Author	Topic: Pure Gasoline Gains Following - More drivers are seeking out ethanol-free gasoline.	Post a Reply Back to Topics

antiguzzle Sophomore Author Wichita Posts:237 Points:20,545 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 1:48:17 PM Ignore antiguzzle Report Abuse W W W DOT nacsonline DOT C O M/NACS/News/Daily/Pages/nD0327125 DOT aspx "LYNCHBURG, Va. – Candy Burnett is part of a growing number of drivers who only fill up with ethanol-free gasoline. “It’s good on the car. …It’s better on the engine. It gets better mileage,” she told the Lynchburg News & Advance." "Sapan Sachdeva, a partner at Burley’s Market, recently started stocking 90 octane ethanol-free gasoline, which he says is better for small engines like for boats or lawn mowers. Customers asked for the ethanol-free gasoline, and response has been good. “It’s been a week and we’ve seen quite a demand,” he said. “You can already see people are very excited about it.” "The cost of unblended fuel tends to be higher than E10, but Johnston said customers don’t mind paying a little extra because of the perceived benefits to the vehicles. “The people that are buying it are not really that concerned over it,” he said. “They know they’re paying more for it, but they believe it’s a better buy.” -The market has spoken

antiguzzle

Sophomore Author
Wichita

Posts:237
Points:20,545
Joined:Mar 2012

Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 1:48:17 PM

Ignore antiguzzle Report Abuse

W W W DOT nacsonline DOT C O M/NACS/News/Daily/Pages/nD0327125 DOT aspx

"LYNCHBURG, Va. – Candy Burnett is part of a growing number of drivers who only fill up with ethanol-free gasoline. “It’s good on the car. …It’s better on the engine. It gets better mileage,” she told the Lynchburg News & Advance."

"Sapan Sachdeva, a partner at Burley’s Market, recently started stocking 90 octane ethanol-free gasoline, which he says is better for small engines like for boats or lawn mowers. Customers asked for the ethanol-free gasoline, and response has been good. “It’s been a week and we’ve seen quite a demand,” he said. “You can already see people are very excited about it.”

"The cost of unblended fuel tends to be higher than E10, but Johnston said customers don’t mind paying a little extra because of the perceived benefits to the vehicles. “The people that are buying it are not really that concerned over it,” he said. “They know they’re paying more for it, but they believe it’s a better buy.”

-The market has spoken

REPLIES (newest first)Ignore Short Messages

First

Next Last

PatAZ Champion Author Tucson Posts:9,285 Points:123,500 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:51:46 AM Ignore PatAZ Report Abuse Im sure many more people would too if more stations were available. 75 miles to my closest one isn't practical.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:56:31 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse yea, kinda like fresh air on the farm... though there is no e0 anywhere near me, that doesn't have lead in it... Which is kinda ironic, since they restrict retailers from offering fuel without ethanol, but allow the sale of fuel with lead in it... brilliant.. [Edited by: reb4 at 7/22/2012 10:00:31 AM EST]
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:23,608 Points:1,075,890 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 8:21:59 AM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse I know what you mean. I find the dictionary amusing: pure/pyo?or/ Adjective: 1. Not mixed or adulterated with any other substance or material. 2. Without any extraneous and unnecessary elements
GM1954 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,950 Points:131,880 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 8:13:13 AM Ignore GM1954 Report Abuse I find the term pure gasoline amusing. What a contradiction of terms.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,849 Points:2,168,625 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 1:15:28 AM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse Got a tank of E-0 in Oklahoma this past vacation (Houston to Kansas City and back) but all the other fillups were E-10. I got 1.4 MPG more over the whole trip than the one I made in late May on the same trip all on E-10.
wolfman48 Rookie Author Louisville Posts:38 Points:1,510 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 9:16:25 PM Ignore wolfman48 Report Abuse Hey Goldseeker, When did they start growing gasoline?
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,495 Points:755,860 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 8:11:34 AM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse I blend to achieve E35 and get the same MPGs and much more power, if needed. You have to love the geniuses that sniff too much "pure gas", never tried anything more than E10 and all of the sudden they are automotive experts.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,755 Points:2,746,515 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 7:57:28 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse Wolfman: Just think about how much of that imported fuel goes into the growing,making and shipping and using of gasoline.
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:23,608 Points:1,075,890 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 8:18:19 PM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse => You folks who believe gas that contains no ethanol is better than 10% ethanol, keep wasting your money. You are paying more per mile not less. <= Ah good. Another genius who sees a tree and thinks the world is a forest. Cost per mile is actually the very basis on which we avoid ethanol, when we've already done the research and figured it out. Me, I lose mpg on the order of 15 to 20% if I use E10; therefore E10 would have to be priced at least 15% lower than E0 in order to even compete on CPM. But inasmuch as we've already calculated all this, keep wasting your breath. We're paying less per mile, not more. Duh.
wolfman48 Rookie Author Louisville Posts:38 Points:1,510 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:30:39 PM Ignore wolfman48 Report Abuse Just think about how much of that imported fuel goes into the growing,making and shipping and using of ethanol.
Shenandoah Rookie Author Little Rock Posts:1 Points:120 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 10:49:07 PM Ignore Shenandoah Report Abuse Depends on the application. Ethanol can be an anti-knock additive, increasing octane. With modern engines using electronic controls for timing, the ignition can be advanced to take advantage of this. It does have some "engine cleaning" qualities, as it is a solvent. The down side is for older vehicles, and any engine which is not used daily. Ethanol attracts moisture (read "water") and this can be a major problem. Small engines, such as gas trimmers, chainsaws, lawn mowers, can be harmed by ethanol in fuel. E15 just makes these problems worse. I have a 40 year old car, and for it I avoid ethanol entirely. My wife's daily driver thrives on it. Boats, especially those which large inboard tanks, have had serious problems. The solvent quality of ethanol has dissolved the inside of some tanks, destroying some very expensive engines. The biggest problem is that you can't avoid it without much planning ahead. I don't drive my 1972 BMW that much, but my expensive lawn mower and my boat need to avoid ethanol.
Hannie59 All-Star Author Appleton Posts:648 Points:17,685 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 12:59:03 PM Ignore Hannie59 Report Abuse You folks who believe gas that contains no ethanol is better than 10% ethanol, keep wasting your money. You are paying more per mile not less. Best cost per mile is 10% ethanol if you are afraid to blend to 30% ethanol. Plus 10% ethanol is better for your engine, keeps it clean. [Edited by: Hannie59 at 6/26/2012 12:59:13 PM EST]
RedRider1OK All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:946 Points:25,500 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 7:19:49 AM Ignore RedRider1OK Report Abuse $3.09 for 100% ethanol-free 87 octane in OKC yesterday. No mandates here for ethanol. I guess that's one reason our prices for real gas remains as low as it is compared to other areas.
tattoo666TX Champion Author Texas Posts:2,567 Points:344,480 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 1:29:43 AM Ignore tattoo666TX Report Abuse Went down! $3.79 per gallon!
tattoo666TX Champion Author Texas Posts:2,567 Points:344,480 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 20, 2012 1:27:01 AM Ignore tattoo666TX Report Abuse $3.89 for premium non-ethanol (93 octane) where I have been getting gas here.
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,597 Points:56,885 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 20, 2012 12:23:27 AM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse Reb4...good for you! I'm happy to hear that prices are dropping in Chicago!
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jun 20, 2012 12:12:36 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse Sorry GC2011, it's that I just got fuel for 3.429 at BP station. I got a 25 cent off code from BP and the prices are dropping here in Chicago.... Price dropped to 3.679 (actually some stations less, but not for me..).. I actually splashed some e10 on my car since I emptyied some fuel in my wife's car and filled up containers to get the "cheap" fuel...
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,597 Points:56,885 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 19, 2012 11:42:04 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse $3.09 for E85 and $3.30 for E15. That $3.59 isn't our station...it's another. We haven't made the switch yet. The price of E10/unleaded rose to $3.45 today...E15 is now 3.40. E85 is still 3.09 and E0 at the station that I listed, is still $3.59 today.Reb4....not sure what you were finding so funny. [Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 6/19/2012 11:43:09 PM EST]
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jun 19, 2012 10:29:48 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse ha, ha, what's the price for e85 and e15?
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,597 Points:56,885 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 7:48:20 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse In Wichita today Ethanol free is $3.59 and E10/unleaded is $3.35.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 12:47:50 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse silverstreaker, you are funny... I ask you your gasoline "foot print" and you turn around an tell me to tell you what car I drive. Then you spin and tell me I'm ducking your question and make it seem I have been trying to keep this issue under wraps.. That is soooo funny...I have posted a number of times what my "other car" is as well... I have posted in fuel economy, cars and auto section of gasbuddy. You ever go there??? I do find it interesting your keen interest in my other vehicle... which is a Corolla.
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:12,074 Points:2,243,185 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 10:57:14 AM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse reb4 asks "What difference does it make what my "other car" is?" Enough to you that you keep ducking the answer. I'll take you at your word and answer something that I've posted so many times that you know the answer. So far this year, I have used 222 gallons of E10, last year 378 gallons. I also buy as much ethanol as I can blend in my non-FFV, without the CEL going on. My reasons are (in order): 1) It saves me money, as my mileage is relatively unchanged at any blend. 2) It lowers emissions of carcinogens. 3) I'd rather support the farmers than OPEC. Yes, I use way more gasoline than you, but I travel for business and pleasure and have a family with their own transportation needs. I also bicycle whenever I can, unlike you. Because I use way more gasoline and various ethanol blends than you, I am much more experienced. Tell us about your vast experience using anything other than E10. But first, tell us the make and model of your other vehicle, as you promised.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 8:38:26 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse silverstreaker, What difference does it make what my "other car" is? You tell me what your foot print is and I will be glad to tell you my vehicle... You must use a lot of that dirty canadian oil if you don't want to share and change the subject to my "2nd" car...
PaylessKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:8,870 Points:1,608,175 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 12:17:24 AM Ignore PaylessKY Report Abuse That would be great if they were allowed to sell it in my area.
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:12,074 Points:2,243,185 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 10:58:19 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse reb4, you've been asked several times before and just ducked again by answering 1/3 of the question.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 10:50:43 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse suilverstreaker, could you please share when i "ducked" on my "other" vehicle... I have never "ducked"... it's a 2009...
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:12,074 Points:2,243,185 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:25:22 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse reb4, care to share with us the year make and model of your non-Prius? You keep ducking that question.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 6:58:27 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse Silverstreaker, so how much of that fuel do you purchase a year... This year, my two vehicles have used 130 gallons, of which I figure has been 120 gallons of the oil. I think we have some of the oil from canada and I would imagine that some opec oil comes. But we have purchased vehicles that get good mpg, my wife both commute via commuter train... Last year was about the same, 240 gallons... for both vehicles.. So, how about you? Want to share your Gasoline foot print?
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:12,074 Points:2,243,185 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 12:43:12 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse reb4, do you have a point? I'm already aware that most of the crude oil coming into Minnesota comes from the Alberta tar sands. In case you need a math refresher, 2/3 is considered "most". Your article says: "Canadian crude is heavier and contains more sulfur than oil from most other places, requiring more energy to turn it into gasoline and other products. The carbon footprint of producing Canadian oil can be up to a third higher than for conventional oil." "To get at it, oil companies strip the land of trees and wetlands then dig into the ground, hauling extracting four tons of earth for each barrel of oil. They use hot water and solvents to separate the bitumen from the soil, and pump the waste into huge ponds. The bitumen is then treated further to turn it into crude. All this is happening in a place a lot like Minnesota's Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness. The bitumen-laced dust and toxic chemicals from the processing plants drift into the air and water. Critics say the waste ponds are seeping into groundwater, adding more toxic chemicals." "Downstream from the oil sands -- further north in Alberta at the mouth of the Athabasca River -- some members of the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation say oils sands production is destroying their lives. "Our elders have been saying this since the 60s and 70s, that this is bad, this is going to destroy the land, this is going to be no good for the people," said Mike Mercredi, a tribal member who records interviews with elders. They describe deformed fish with flabby flesh, and other changes that have persuaded many of them to quit eating their traditional diet. Tribal elders say they're suffering much higher rates of a rare bile duct cancer. They believe the fish and other wildlife they depend on have been contaminated by the oil projects. Mercredi said researchers from the University of Alberta and elsewhere have tracked high levels of cancer-causing chemicals, mercury and bitumen. He said oil producers' flue gas stacks emit the chemicals, which land on snow." Sending 1/3 of your fuel payments to OPEC doesn't sound as bad now, does it?
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jun 17, 2012 9:16:33 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse silverstreaker, "you" are "confused".. your statement was... "I'd much rather having my fuel purchases support the ethanol and corn industries." My comment was specifically to your "my fuel purchases" statement... Here is some helpful information for you to read up on... hopefully your bicycle will allow you to backpeddle and not hurt yourself... [Edited by: reb4 at 6/17/2012 9:17:59 AM EST]
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:12,074 Points:2,243,185 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 16, 2012 10:54:31 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse reb4, there are crude oil pipelines coming into Minnesota from the north, south, and east. The oil can originate from anywhere in the world, since the pipeline connects to multiple ports. Your own statement was "opec oil makes up less than a 1/3 of U.S. oil imports". Are you now back-peddling or is this just more of your spin?
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jun 16, 2012 9:55:09 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse silverstreaker, but in reality, if you used e0 up in Minnesota... you are very unlikely using opec oil... oh, that's right, you can't really use non ethanol fuel in Minnesota,likely canadian oil with some oil from dakota's.... But you keep believing what you boast... or I mean post... [Edited by: reb4 at 6/16/2012 9:58:58 PM EST]
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:12,074 Points:2,243,185 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 16, 2012 2:42:51 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse reb4, I'd much rather having my fuel purchases support the ethanol and corn industries. When 1/3 of your fuel purchases supports OPEC, do you think you are being AMERICAN, like your buddy antiguzzle is trying to spin it? That's the "balance" you are trying to spin.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jun 16, 2012 1:16:12 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse why hanie59, just countering ethanolbob, you know Fair and balanced...
Hannie59 All-Star Author Appleton Posts:648 Points:17,685 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Jun 16, 2012 12:30:38 PM Ignore Hannie59 Report Abuse reb4 has bumped up another propaganda laden article of lies. States "they will pay more for the 'perceived' benefits" Perception is far from reality especially for the ethanol haters. They want everyone to believe ethanol free is better when it is actually worse for your engine. It requires detergents additives to keep your engine from plugging up with carbon. Use 30% ethanol in your car and it will be naturally clean. [Edited by: Hannie59 at 6/16/2012 12:33:51 PM EST]
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jun 16, 2012 11:48:19 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse silverstreaker, big corn and ethanol industry thanks you for yours... and opec oil makes up less than a 1/3 of U.S. oil imports...
mr157ifhz Sophomore Author Gasbuddy Posts:155 Points:3,120 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 4:31:04 PM Ignore mr157ifhz Report Abuse 'Why would I want to burn corn?' ~I don't know. Maybe you have a corn stove?
timmyC4 Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:417 Points:60,600 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 7:23:29 PM Ignore timmyC4 Report Abuse Why would I want to burn corn?
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:12,074 Points:2,243,185 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 5:11:57 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse antiguzzle, OPEC thanks you for your support.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,066 Points:3,550,100 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 4:47:30 PM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse "Ethanol is bad business and is UN-AMERICAN!" Yeah, how dare motorists support a renewable resource and the farmers of America when there are sheiks in the Middle East suffering with low-class gold fixtures in their bathrooms when they really, really, really need to have platinum!
antiguzzle Sophomore Author Wichita Posts:237 Points:20,545 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 4:26:21 PM Ignore antiguzzle Report Abuse pilotmass - "Ethanol only exists thanks to lobbying in Washington by Archer Daniel Midland. Be great to cut their subsidies and federally mandated market. Pure Gas NOW!" I'm in total agreement! Ethanol is bad business and is UN-AMERICAN!
antiguzzle Sophomore Author Wichita Posts:237 Points:20,545 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 4:25:18 PM Ignore antiguzzle Report Abuse fatfed - "i WISHED THEY WERE MORE OUT THERE" Hear! Hear! Call your local gas stations and ask them to offer pure gasoline!
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,495 Points:755,860 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2012 5:39:46 PM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse pilotmass wrote: "Ethanol only exists thanks to lobbying in Washington by Archer Daniel Midland. Be great to cut their subsidies and federally mandated market." Feel free to backup you statement with some facts, for example by listing all the federal ethanol subsidies. pilotmass wrote: "Pure Gas NOW!" There is nothing pure about gasoline. "Typical gasoline contains about 150 different chemicals, including benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylene, which also are known as the BTEX compounds." Gasoline Fact Sheet
pilotmass Champion Author Boston Posts:1,966 Points:529,335 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2012 4:44:28 PM Ignore pilotmass Report Abuse Ethanol only exists thanks to lobbying in Washington by Archer Daniel Midland. Be great to cut their subsidies and federally mandated market. Pure Gas NOW!
fatfed Champion Author San Antonio Posts:3,000 Points:503,140 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2012 11:11:32 AM Ignore fatfed Report Abuse i WISHED THEY WERE MORE OUT THERE
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2012 9:04:58 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse Pitbull1, that's good... Save while you can! If you are saving money because your mpg does not reduce your cost for mile it definitely would make sense if you you have an ffv. But I would not recommend puting to much in your chevy cruze.. How much e85 do you put in that? Silverstreaker, "I'm sure Candy Burnett is a real expert on the subject...", piror to the additional links, could you elaborate what influenced this comment? [Edited by: reb4 at 4/27/2012 9:07:56 AM EST]
Shockjock1961 Champion Author Illinois Posts:20,375 Points:2,211,885 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2012 8:59:54 AM Ignore Shockjock1961 Report Abuse "I will keep purchasing vehicles that use E85 and will keep buying it" That's great Pitbull! You keep putting ethanol in those fuel guzzlers of yours, and perhaps someday I won't be forced to buy it myself...
Pitbull1 Veteran Author Detroit Posts:395 Points:23,790 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 10:35:33 PM Ignore Pitbull1 Report Abuse Could not have said it better Hannie59. If you don't like it, don't use it. He will be the one in disbelief when oil and gas double in price and he is not prepared for alternatives. I will keep purchasing vehicles that use E85 and will keep buying it.
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,597 Points:56,885 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 23, 2012 10:57:49 AM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse Hannie59...your post is music to my ears! I agree!
Hannie59 All-Star Author Appleton Posts:648 Points:17,685 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Apr 23, 2012 9:37:38 AM Ignore Hannie59 Report Abuse customers don’t mind paying a little extra because of the perceived benefits to the vehicles. It's all perceived, not real. antiguzzle is posting a bunch of nonsense, facts do not matter to oil industry trolls like him.