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NOTSOGRN Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,055 Points:1,507,745 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 12:29:49 AM Ignore NOTSOGRN Report Abuse Ballard might hit the breakeven mark, with another deal done, for “adjusted” earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, a financial measuring number of operating performance that excludes certain items. Adjusted earnings suggest that true profitability is within reach. Ballard isn’t alone – companies such as FuelCell Energy and ClearEdge are demonstrating that they’re closing in on that goal, too. Finally fuel cells can be cost-competitive and simply better. Fuel cells are just not ready for vehicles – yet. Fuel cells have made strides, as Ballard has shown in cutting costs, but the hydrogen bug remains – getting the fuel, hydrogen, in place from conventional sources is a whole system in itself. Visit New Energy and Fuel for full article

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Ballard might hit the breakeven mark, with another deal done, for “adjusted” earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, a financial measuring number of operating performance that excludes certain items. Adjusted earnings suggest that true profitability is within reach.

Ballard isn’t alone – companies such as FuelCell Energy and ClearEdge are demonstrating that they’re closing in on that goal, too. Finally fuel cells can be cost-competitive and simply better.

Fuel cells are just not ready for vehicles – yet.

Fuel cells have made strides, as Ballard has shown in cutting costs, but the hydrogen bug remains – getting the fuel, hydrogen, in place from conventional sources is a whole system in itself.
Visit New Energy and Fuel for full article

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bigthighs All-Star Author Tucson Posts:550 Points:52,965 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jun 27, 2012 11:30:37 PM Ignore bigthighs Report Abuse weeeeee
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,580 Points:1,605,520 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 8:51:35 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse time will tell if fuel cells will ever be working for mainstream cars. But it's not to say, that they couldn't be used for other purposes.
FunMyster All-Star Author Indiana Posts:907 Points:73,215 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 9:38:54 PM Ignore FunMyster Report Abuse ok
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:2,976 Points:593,835 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 1:37:59 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
Vanho Veteran Author Fort Worth Posts:423 Points:583,485 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 9:25:15 AM Ignore Vanho Report Abuse It is a work in progress, with a definite future for us. Stay tuned!
defiancegasman Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,069 Points:1,321,210 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 1:02:14 AM Ignore defiancegasman Report Abuse GM was working on the FUEL CELLS since before 2000. The only use Iheard that found was for big units to power a cluster of homes in no where. Other than that, it just cost too much to use.
frostyWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,339 Points:519,235 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:23:26 AM Ignore frostyWV Report Abuse good news.
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,965 Points:2,522,335 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:19:56 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse old news
unclemattie Veteran Author Atlanta Posts:289 Points:455,705 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:17:52 AM Ignore unclemattie Report Abuse go to steam power! jk
KnoxGasPriceSpy Champion Author Knoxville Posts:140,815 Points:916,795 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:12:42 AM Ignore KnoxGasPriceSpy Report Abuse they'll get em right soom
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:12:36 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Still more to go.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,876 Points:2,127,605 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:11:59 AM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse Good.
Ahking Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,492 Points:600,445 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:11:19 AM Ignore Ahking Report Abuse good.
Dodge_Me Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,214 Points:552,480 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:11:06 AM Ignore Dodge_Me Report Abuse Agree with "NedW" "Make 'em economically viable w/o subsidies."
chuckwthompson Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,735 Points:573,185 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:10:03 AM Ignore chuckwthompson Report Abuse Not soon enough...
mfeldstein Champion Author Ottawa Posts:8,156 Points:1,927,455 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:07:31 AM Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse Smaller and stronger is the goal.
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,208 Points:868,310 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:05:42 AM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse This is great as long as it isn't done with taxpayer's money.
Bleeder Champion Author Virginia Posts:8,038 Points:1,697,375 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:05:23 AM Ignore Bleeder Report Abuse We will get there eventually.
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,876 Points:768,270 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:05:20 AM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse gas is still king
regout Champion Author Quebec Posts:2,935 Points:828,705 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:04:19 AM Ignore regout Report Abuse One of these days.
aggietim Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:1,746 Points:690,375 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:00:19 AM Ignore aggietim Report Abuse ok
G.Lee Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:22,749 Points:3,410,200 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:57:37 PM Ignore G.Lee Report Abuse Ok
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,734 Points:2,461,680 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:57:19 PM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse Interesting
Beaveronparade Champion Author Hartford Posts:2,096 Points:631,395 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:56:33 PM Ignore Beaveronparade Report Abuse I agree that more research needs to be done. It is a great alternative though
jessek Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,657 Points:1,280,490 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:55:30 PM Ignore jessek Report Abuse Keep it up.
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,594 Points:1,138,245 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:53:59 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Make 'em economically viable w/o subsidies.
Hangnail309 Champion Author Manitoba Posts:6,004 Points:1,673,180 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:52:18 PM Ignore Hangnail309 Report Abuse Please keep working on the technology ...
menagerie1013 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,365 Points:685,765 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:51:47 PM Ignore menagerie1013 Report Abuse It's about time they became profitable.
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,066 Points:1,618,325 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:50:48 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse Fuel cells were perfected thanks to NASA engineers and scientists, all federal govt. employees. The task today is to improve the process for the generation of hydrogen, our most abundant renewable energy source, and create optimal storage systems for it. Nano technology will allow improved storage capacity in a safe mammer for mobile use. It is all coming on fast thanks to dedicated engineers and scientists in both govt., university, and private R&D labs. [Edited by: NHLiveFree at 6/21/2012 11:51:43 PM EST]
craigrm Champion Author Connecticut Posts:1,735 Points:575,255 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:49:40 PM Ignore craigrm Report Abuse Nobama
Spankster85 Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,704 Points:352,840 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:48:44 PM Ignore Spankster85 Report Abuse Alternative fuels will become cost effective when people figure out how to bleed us like they do with gasoline.
tidalwave3 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,292 Points:1,459,185 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:46:12 PM Ignore tidalwave3 Report Abuse More R & D
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,902 Points:1,570,980 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:45:24 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse technology at its best
69Bonne Champion Author Gary Posts:1,130 Points:469,150 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:40:53 PM Ignore 69Bonne Report Abuse Still a lot to be done with fuel cell research, but it could become a good alternative.
Dodge_Me Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,214 Points:552,480 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:39:21 PM Ignore Dodge_Me Report Abuse May not be ready for vehicles yet but seems like the right steps to make.
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DustyHorse Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,067 Points:1,387,845 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:35:57 PM Ignore DustyHorse Report Abuse Keep working on the technology.
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jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,830 Points:1,608,250 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:25:59 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse This sounds like good progress. Research takes time. Development and commercialization will take more time. I think we will get there in due course.
blah2blah3 Champion Author Houston Posts:2,581 Points:595,995 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:24:36 PM Ignore blah2blah3 Report Abuse good
jpj23 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:5,695 Points:1,096,675 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:24:25 PM Ignore jpj23 Report Abuse Keep plugging away. Despite current falling gas prices OPEC still has far too much control. It would be wonderful one day to tell them that the Western world simply does not need their oil.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:14,849 Points:1,436,370 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:23:28 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse Innovation at work. They say they are almost profitable... if it's without Government subsidies then I am greatly impressed... and assured of their long term existence.
PizzaMon Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:5,134 Points:1,857,930 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:21:28 PM Ignore PizzaMon Report Abuse Still a way to go yet.
Zonk Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,461 Points:2,098,015 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:20:52 PM Ignore Zonk Report Abuse The quicker good results are attained, the outlook for the future will be brighter.
skyking19 Champion Author Little Rock Posts:1,995 Points:1,695,970 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:16:59 PM Ignore skyking19 Report Abuse Eventually this will prove out.
DABEE1073 Champion Author San Diego Posts:8,185 Points:1,568,335 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:11:02 PM Ignore DABEE1073 Report Abuse HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TOO COST THE TAXPAYERS???????
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carpenter4u Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,431 Points:612,320 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jun 21, 2012 11:04:46 PM Ignore carpenter4u Report Abuse Only time will tell
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