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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 6:38:40 AM
No one on Earth’s surface would have felt this impulse of heat. Mlynczak puts it into perspective: “Heat radiated by the solid body of the Earth is very large compared to the amount of heat being exchanged in the upper atmosphere. The daily average infrared radiation from the entire planet is 240 W/m2—enough to power NYC for 200,000 years.”
Solar Storm Dumps Gigawatts into Earth's Upper Atmosphere
The Earth radiates 100,000 times more energy each day than this solar storm did.
CO2 is a good reflector, it reflects solar energy out.
Guess what? It also reflects Earth-generated heat back at us!
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 1:00:26 AM
There is a reason the website defaulted URL for the article back to their own website.
The study doesn't actually debunk global warming! It is strictly an article on solar storms.
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Message Posted: May 23, 2013 11:58:19 PM
And now Global Warming debunked by NASA. A news article right here on Gas Buds.
Global warming debunked by NASA
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 8:45:30 PM
Have a look at what a disaster green policies are causing in Europe.
Green hell in Europe
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 8:55:12 PM
Here is a report from todays tornado's in the U S midWest; May 20th 2013
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The "Biggest, Most Destructive Tornado in History" Just Hit Oklahoma
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Anyone care to tell them that climate change is not happening ?
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 12:58:58 AM
This is from a site called boingboing:
"Remember, climate change isn't intentionally trying to make your life miserable. It's just a trend in rising global average temperatures. That comes along with lots of side effects, some of which do, in fact, make human life pretty miserable. In other cases, though, the effect can be beneficial. For instance: In Antarctica, climate change seems to be increasing the population of adorable Adelie penguins. "
Long live the Adelies!!!
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 12:17:21 PM
Another good look at what is happening, especially in the Arctic .
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A good overview of whats happening
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This article is one of the best I have seen, it co-insides with the reports I am personally getting from Relatives in the N.W.T.
I Hay River N W T the entire town is built on Steel Pilings frozen into the permafrost, so it looks like the whole town will either be moved or disappear.
Born with a Tan
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2013 8:03:33 AM
Mad- the deniers want people to believe that warming is linear..and that its supposed to happen everywhere -globally-BUT because the graphs and charts show variations and from year to year unequal increases....
therefore they say claims of warming are not true, or that the variation shown it natural- and usually choose isolated charts etc to demonstrate their point
1) no scientist has ever claimed warming is linear or will be linear
2) no scientist has every claimed warming is universally and evenly distributed across the planet
BUT- it is happening, not just to surface temperature, but to air currents and to the sea (which many seem to ignore)
it is also not equally distributed- northern Canada is warming more than in other places-- this has allowed the pine beetle- which has always been with us- to expand exponentially and cause the massive destruction of boreal forest- just as one example
also- it is an indisputable fact that more warmth in the air necessarily and absolutely means more energy.. more energy in the atmosphere means more violent storms..
also from grade 5 science classes regarding convection currents..when you start to warm areas not previously warmed, and at times and durations which are not traditional, you are absolutely going to affect weather patterns and in turn climate.
also warming of 1 or 2 degrees globally may not seem like much to most, but it is actually a huge change..
my understanding is that 4 degree average was the difference between the ice age and present. so imagine what 3 degrees warmer than present will do....
how long do you think we can continue to provide stop gap aid to countries experiencing massive storm damage, massive drought or flood damage all of which is occuring more frequently than ever.
How many even remember the incredible drought in argentina a couple years ago which wiped out millions of cattle and other animals? or in Russia a few years ago....or the massive drought and huge huge fires raging across australia this past year?
Our news services are more interested in covering local car accidents, sensationalist murders, and phoney- fiscal cliffs- hockey tradesm and what stars are dating what other stars....
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 10:42:10 PM
Mad are old enough to remember having to wait for the lakes to freeze to play hockey and then playing with only skates and a stick - no pads????
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 6:41:00 PM
Have a look at this link. More info on climate change that isn't all the doom and gloom someone like David Suzuki would have us believe.
Climate change - Not near the doom & gloom Suzuki would have us believe
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 6:24:57 PM
Hey there fly, I'm so old they think I was around before dirt.
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 1:38:40 PM
Madlaker - dont forget some of us old folks who used renewable, green, solid fuel, solar powered, heat exchangers. We also used renewable energy equipment to collect the solid fuel for the solid fuel solar powered heat exchangers we used to heat our homes, make hot water and cook our food.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:27:19 PM
It looks like even Time Magazine is waking up;
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Telling the lies again and again
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 2:13:24 PM
Isn't protesting climate change a whole lot like protesting rocks?
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:43:45 PM
Another Article in the Denver post on Climate change protests including the still active Idle No More and Native people Pics 10.11,12,23 and 24.
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Report of Climate change protest in the U S
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 3:20:27 PM
To All You Tree Hugging Greenies And Global Warming Alarmists
Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older woman, that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags weren't good for the environment. The woman apologized and explained, "We didn't have this 'green thing' back in my earlier days."
The young clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations."
She was right -- our generation didn't have the 'green thing' in its day.
Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.
But we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.
Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags, that we reused for numerous things, most memorable besides household garbage bags, was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our schoolbooks. This was to ensure that public property, (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags.
But too bad we didn't do the "green thing" back then.
We walked up stairs, because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.
But she was right. We didn't have the "green thing" in our day.
Back then, we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throwaway kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts -- wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.
But that young lady is right; we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.
Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana . In the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.
But she's right; we didn't have the "green thing" back then.
We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.
But we didn't have the "green thing" back then.
Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the family's $45,000 SUV or van, which cost what a whole house did before the "green thing." We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.
But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the "green thing" back then?
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:56:12 AM
A report from Los Angeles , He was in this protest, estimates of over 20.000 people attending, lots of natives, and yes quite a few Idle No More signs.banners,
A short vid from Feb 17th March in L A
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winterer
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 1:58:36 AM
A little more on the big Protest in Washington and if you look at the banners and flags a lot of the Idle No More was involved.
Washington D C
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 5:03:01 PM
From CTV news report on Feb17th Climate change Protest in Washington D C
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 4:12:12 PM
Here is a first hand from Washington, today Feb. 17th:
"Forward on Climate March, F17, heading to the White House. Photo via Jenna Pope, who had this to say: "The front of the march passed the white house 40 min ago & the back of the march hasn't gotten to the white house yet. #ForwardOnClimate"
The photos with it shows a big crowd like the whole street.
These photos can not be reposted (copyright)Estimated crowd 40.000 people.
It looks like a big demonstration to tell Obama to get on with it.
It is interesting that the crowd has adopted Native Hand Drums
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 11:07:03 PM
Has the Earth moved closer to the Sun? No. Has the tilt of the Earth changed? No. Is there a level f greenhouse gas in the air? Yes. IS there incrased volcanic activity or some natural emission of it there wasn't before? No.
So it doesn't leave too many more suspects, does it?
Besides, does anyone disagree that if the temperature rises, the ocean levels rise? And that would cuase significant disruption and costly problems? No, not uness they're mad.
Then it doesn't really matter, does it? We have to DO something about it.
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 5:45:21 PM
almost sounded logical, then the old "except for those being paid by the coal industry and others" tag line whenever scientists disagree with the views of the man-made climate change championers. Nice way to dismiss the other side of the "evidence."
I am not going to repeat ML's last reply, because I fee exactly the same way.
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 6:46:58 AM
what makes you think they cant agree on the cause?
they all agree its greenhouse gas trapping the heat in.
It took about 12-thousand years for the population to reach 1 billion in apporx 1830, one hundred years to reach 2 billion approx 1930, and here less then one hundred years later and that's more than doubled to 7-billion.
all consuming, all emitting greehhouse gases..from many millions of cars, trucks, planes in the upper atmosphere, and tens of thousands of cargo shipw burning the lowest quality fuel possible with no controls
we've also taken millions of sq kilmeters of green carbon absorbing forest, and turned it into black heat absorbing roads, parking lots, rooves etc.
There is NO disagreement among scientists as to the cause...except for those being paid by the coal industry and others (just like the respectable doctors and scientists who for years siad tobacco was not a cancer causing agent)
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 4:18:02 PM
And that is exactly my dilemma Handiman. What is the natural heating and cooling of the earth and what is man responsible for. Dinasours roamed the earth thousands of years ago and perished in an ice age. Between then and now there have been many periods of warming a cooling without all this talk about green house gases and fossil fuels and so on. I agree the earth is "changing" and thus "climate change" but when scientists can't agree on the cause how is the common man like us, able to come to any conclusive decision? I know I can't, so here I sit on the fence.
[Edited by: Mad Laker at 2/14/2013 4:18:40 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 11:51:14 AM
winterer---Climate change is happening of that there is no doubt, the only thing that has never been answered, what is causing it--yes I've heard the scientists telling the population that man's activity is causing it and yes I know about the CFCs and carbon being released into the atmosphere, that cars, trucks,oil extraction, homes burning oil, and a whole list of other things are on that list. I also understand that it is in our best interest to reduce our consumption of fossil fuels of all kinds,it's only good stuardship to look after the place we live---but what is never mentioned is that the planet warms and cools in cycles--in our past, places that are now covered in snow were once tropical paradises with palm trees, dinos, tropical birds and fish---there was once an inland sea where most of Saskatchewan and Manitoba are----the last ice age is just now starting to receed and because of that the polar areas are losing their ice caps, less ice means more warming, more warming means climate shifts, rising ocean levels---mans activity is just a small part of the changes that are taking place now---we as humans cannot change the course of nature and we would be very wise not to try---I am not a denier, but I am a realist---I could go on and on but the basics have been covered here
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:01:57 PM
Buy a condo herbie. One of the joys of condo living is sipping on a coffee, while reading the paper and watching the snow shovel crew do their thing. Love it!
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:20:44 PM
Hey Herbie - yall come on down here - I mowed the lawn last week.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:01:26 PM
Why do you all start discussing climate change this time of year? I just WISH it would change, I'm sick of shovelling snow already.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 11:31:10 AM
This sort of fits in Climate change, no world , no climate.
The Mayan Calendar and the winter solstice;
For those who are concerned about the about the highly promoted (not by Natives) end of the world according to the Mayan Calendar, may wish to consider the implications of when it actually is supposed to arrive?
If it is gearing to the local time of the solstice or turn over time, do we use Greenwich time as a basis to calculate the local arrival of the dreaded event or assume the Mayans had their own idea of local time or Mayan mean time?
In B C we are in a time zone Greenwich plus 8, so assume the end of the world will arrive at say Greenwich at 11: 12 GMT and at Victoria B C at Dec 21 3:12 AM PST Alberta will be 4:12 AM MST, and assuming the Mayans use their own local time of Greenwich plus 6 , the Solstice will arrive there at local time 5:12 EST.
So those intending to attend a last of the world party at noon on the 21st will be too late..
Therefore being of part Aztec ancestry (who followed the Mayan Calendar) I have made plans for a 13:00 local time lunch.
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 1:24:29 AM
It seems that nothing changes with your posts winterer...for you it's all about fear-mongering, innuendo and exaggeration.
For those who are unaware, the City of Richmond (BC's 4th largest city) is built on a delta at the mouth of the Fraser River and is adjacent to the cities of Delta, Vancouver, Steveston, Ladner, New Westminster and Surrey. It is bounded by the north and south arms of the Fraser River and the ocean to the west.
All of the river delta areas are protected by a system of dykes which are designed to protect the occupied areas from seasonal floods of the Fraser River and above average tides caused by storm activity.
The Facts
"Although not officially designated as such, Richmond is located on a floodplain. A ‘floodplain’ is: “land adjacent to a watercourse that is susceptible to flooding”, such as from periods of high tide. In addition, isolated instances of flooding can occur in any community as a result of unanticipated weather events.
To protect Richmond from the possibility of flooding due to high tides or river floods, the City has constructed a comprehensive system of dykes on Lulu Island. These dykes are over 49 km in length and protect an area of 12,805 ha. Mitchell Island is protected by dykes which are privately owned and maintained. Sea Island dykes have been maintained and improved primarily by the Vancouver International Airport Authority.
The City has an extensive system to remove drainage water caused by adverse weather conditions. This system comprises 320 km of ditches and canals and 600 km of box culverts and storm sewers."
History of Flooding
Freshet – The highest freshets occurred in 1894, 1948, and 1972. In each of these instances, no flooding occurred on Lulu or Sea Islands. In 1948, there was minimal flooding on Mitchell Island (where dykes had not yet been constructed).
City of Richmond
In an article printed in the Vancouver Sun it states that, "Last year, the province set new guidelines for sea dikes and land use in coastal flood-hazard zones as part of the effort to manage an expected sea level rise of 1.2 metres in the next 100 years."(Vancouver Sun The City of Richmond and the other affected areas are working toward complying with the new guidelines where necessary.
In it's article, the Vancouver Sun went on to say, "In Richmond, dealing with the threat of flooding is just business as usual. "Richmond has no alternative - they are a major growth centre and they take very strong measures to protect their community against rising sea level and flooding," said Stephen Sheppard. He is a professor of landscape architecture and forest resources management at the University of British Columbia, and works with Collaborative Advanced Landscape Planning on issues of communities and climate change. "It's a well-populated city, with more resources than a rural place. They're like the Netherlands, they don't have a lot of choice, they have to spend their resources on protection."(Vancouver Sun)
Insofar as cost is concerned, the Vancouver Sun article states, "...if Richmond does have to build up its dike another metre or more, it won't be a problem. "When you look at the value of the community and the built environment in a place like Richmond, the expenditure required to meet this challenge is really quite low. It's really a bit of a no-brainer that you can do it," Irving said, adding that in today's dollars, the cost to build up the dike would be $200 million to $300 million.
"Vancouver Sun"
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 10:21:42 PM
Just on Global T V News.
A plan to raise dikes in the B C lower mainland made necessary by sea level rising due to global warming, estimated to cost billions.
Have a nice day as long as you don't own property in Richmond B C .
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 6:51:30 AM
interesting -and worrisome -- report from UN Environment Pgmme-
modelling and international treaties have forgotten about permafrost melt...and the release of GG means all modelling and treaties have greatly underestimated what is going to happen
note phrase- irreversible feedback looop=STORY ON REPORT
ACTUAL UNEP REPORT
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 11:05:44 PM
Certainly no charging stations that I am aware of in the Calgary, Edmonton, Red Deer, Medicine Hat, Lethbridge, Ft McMurray, Banff, Jasper, etc etc etc areas. Maybe that's because this is oil country. I do see a few of those Smart vehicles and some hybrids but not too many Leafs or Volts.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 3:30:59 PM
"The Regional District of Nanaimo and local municipalities are looking to install 12 level two electric vehicle charging stations throughout the region by next spring.
The RDN received a provincial planning grant from the Community Charging Infrastructure Fund and Fraser Basin Council to identify locations for two stations each in Parksville and Qualicum Beach and one each in Lantzville and the seven electoral areas." PQ News -- Full story
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 3:01:06 PM
What's not to believe about the article? If electric cars are not selling in other parts of the world, how does that fact generate fodder for bridge buying? The simple answer is, it doesn't. If charging opportunities are limited, as they are in Canada and specifically BC, then the article is legitimate. I know of ONE public charging station in Qualicum and insofar as I am aware, there are NO charging stations in Parksville.
Driving in an EV from Victoria, Parksville is just about at the range limit for any electric vehicle, -- with no possibility of a recharge. It may be just fine for winterer to head out to deep Errington where he had the conversion done to recharge, but what good does that do me? Traveling on an 'empty' tank with an EV is out of the question, so knowledge of available charging stations and infallible planning is an absolute must. The question is, where are the charging stations?
This topic has been beaten to death by both advocates and those opposed, but the simple fact is, electric vehicles are not yet a viable alternative for extended travel and in some places, not even for local travel. Let's not forget the initial cost of the vehicle or the expense of purchasing new batteries when they become a factor.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:54:35 AM
well mad if you believe this article, I have a bridge to sell you,
Their bit about hanging a cord out the window to charge a E.V is downright silly, most if not all municipalities on Vancouver Island have either already installed charging stations, new housing, as apartment complexes are installing or already have charging stations, Some gas stations like the Co-op are putting in same.
The charges for same are ranging from $5.00 per 24 hrs down to zero.
If there is the 220 volt charger, there is about 1 hr to recharge, I use the charge time to have lunch when up Island.
Too Bad that the East can't modernize.
Have you heard of the new alteration for hybrid's that make them chargeable ?
Born with a tan and working to have a built in Solar P.V panel charger on the vehicle.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 6:11:22 PM
"Chum Fishery Best in Years, says DFO"
(Sandra McCulloch)
A commercial fish opening off Cowichan Bay has netted 150,000 chum salmon for the market, making it the most successful opening in years.
Dozens of gill-net and seine fishboats took part in the fishery, which began Nov. 3 and wound up this week.
“It was a very large fishery, a very successful fishery,” said Andrew Thomson, the south coast area director for Fisheries and Oceans Canada.
The commercial fishery moved in after 230,000 chum salmon made it up the Cowichan and Koksilah rivers to spawn, meaning between 350,000 and 400,000 fish returned to the area in all."Victoria Times Colonist -- full story
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 5:36:14 PM
"Chum Fishery Best in Years, says DFO"
(Sandra McCulloch)
Dozens of fishing boats have been harvesting chum salmon in Vancouver Island waters since Nov. 3.
Dozens of fishing boats have been harvesting chum salmon in Vancouver Island waters since Nov. 3.
Photograph by: Victoria Times Colonist , File
A commercial fish opening off Cowichan Bay has netted 150,000 chum salmon for the market, making it the most successful opening in years.
Dozens of gill-net and seine fishboats took part in the fishery, which began Nov. 3 and wound up this week.
“It was a very large fishery, a very successful fishery,” said Andrew Thomson, the south coast area director for Fisheries and Oceans Canada.
The commercial fishery moved in after 230,000 chum salmon made it up the Cowichan and Koksilah rivers to spawn, meaning between 350,000 and 400,000 fish returned to the area in all."Victoria Times Colonist -- full story
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 5:31:06 PM
This guy's idea is kinda cool.
Floating Island...
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2012 10:50:52 PM
I believe someone on this thread was touting electric cars and when I saw this article I thought it would be good to share the latest news! The e car is DEAD!! At least for now. RIP E Car!
E car out of juice
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2012 9:02:48 PM
Oddly enough, returning coho salmon in southern BC rivers are showing some of the best numbers in years. Victoria Times Colonist.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2012 1:03:44 PM
Harper's boys look at Climate change; Climate change by the neo-cons
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winterer
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2012 9:52:42 PM
Climate change ??
A good look at what's happening now.
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bad_driver98
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2012 9:18:51 PM
I keep coming back to the idea the even if the climate change people are wrong, what will be the result? A cleaner, healthier planet.... would that be bad?
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2012 9:39:43 AM
Silver all you have to do is observe what's been happening over the past few decades.
I have noticed a distinct difference from when I was kid and now..
Statistics clearly show an increase in temp since WWII, over historical data.
Decades ago, when I first heard about warming, the word was that storms would be more often more violent than before...which is exactly what is happening
and LOGICALLY, if we have billions more humans, consuming, manufacturing ,heating, cutting down forests, paving over forests with black heat absorbing asphalt ( the parking lots, roads, and black tar roofs of buildings in the US, could cover the entirety of the UK>...and obviously there's a lot more black, and a lot less green in the world in the past 60 years.,,vastly more pollution, vastly more heat generated and kept in by a blanket of CO2 etc. then obviously humans are responsible
logically.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:33:54 PM
As usual an embarrassment by our climate action team, but caught out this time .
In good old jolly London
Born with a tan and not much else
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2012 3:06:15 PM
And that is exactly the problem. Who do you believe. This is what Robert Kessler, a former Secret Service Agent had to say in his new book about Al Gore:
An egotistical ass, who was once overheard by his Secret Service detail
lecturing his only son that he needed to do better in school or he "would end
up like these guys" – pointing to the agents.
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Silverdog1
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 4:10:05 PM
Interesting article. Makes me wonder just who CAN be believed on climate change? Both sides claim to be 'right' but the side which we as laymen are expected to believe over the other, is using people to write their papers for publication, who are not qualified and indeed may have an agenda of their own and therefore be completely biased.
Maybe we need to outfit all genuine "scientists" in distinctive uniforms such as the RCMP, so we can distinguish between them and the 'wannabe's'.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 12:29:39 PM
Now more fuel to the fire on Climate Change. A very intersting editorial in the Calgary Herald today.
UN Climate Change body worse than delinquent.
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 6:51:04 AM
I think it may be that there's a totally different thought process between economists and scientists.
At one point, I was doing a lot of logistics for several companies. Every once in a while of course, the companies would try to reconcile between physical inventory and what the bean counters thought they should have.
To me it seemed a straightforward exercise. You count how many widgets are on the shelf, apply the value to each one, and that's your inventory.
But somehow, even though the number of items would work out to what the warehouse and manufacturing thought they should have, it didn't match with what the accountants thought it should be.
I never did figure out how they did it. Seemed like pulling numbers out of thin air, but they sometimes got values that were far different from anything that made sense to those of us who worked with the physical parts. But at the same time, they accused us of making up our numbers, that we couldn't possibly have what we said we did and that we must be making it up. They sometimes even declared some parts 'surplus' or 'obsolete' so that they could balance their books.
I think some of how they did it must have been some sort of virtual cost that they came up with by looking at original prices, inflation, shelf-life, discounts, and whatever other they could think of that would affect the total value. Meanwhile, I'd look at the warehouse, count what I saw there and compare it to how many came in and how many were used. Seemed open and shut.
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