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Roadieboy Champion Author Regina Posts:16,160 Points:2,937,480 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: May 4, 2012 5:18:13 PM Ignore Roadieboy Report Abuse Elections Canada has traced a computer from the Conservative campaign in Guelph, Ont., to the account that paid for robocalls that falsely directed voters to the wrong polling station in the last federal election. Newly released court documents show investigator Al Mathews traced a PayPal account used to pay for the robocalls to the same IP address as a computer used by Andrew Prescott, the deputy campaign manager in the riding. CBC

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Elections Canada has traced a computer from the Conservative campaign in Guelph, Ont., to the account that paid for robocalls that falsely directed voters to the wrong polling station in the last federal election.

Newly released court documents show investigator Al Mathews traced a PayPal account used to pay for the robocalls to the same IP address as a computer used by Andrew Prescott, the deputy campaign manager in the riding.

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catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 11:52:47 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse “Oh yeah, being found guilty is certainly better than not being charged..” Oh yeah, ignoring the fact that the reason no Conservatives have been charged yet is quite possibly because they've been obstructing and obfuscating enough that the enquiry isn't complete yet says a lot about the integrity and honesty of the party – let alone their willingness to divert and ignore the obvious. However, they may regret the delaying tactics because the longer the enquiry takes to give its report to the public, the closer it will be to the next election and the fresher it will be in the electorate's minds. As for the “poor loser” comment, I see it more as a 'poor sportsmanship' on the part of the Cons. It's not a poor loser to say something if it's found that the winner cheated.
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:18,892 Points:1,124,555 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 5:24:10 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse Any bets on that statement winterer? Three or more years down the road to the next elecrion makes your statement very bold.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 4:13:18 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse It's interesting to see who is still whining and moaning. I don't hear that from the Federal Liberals on this forum. In fact we are sure we will take the next election. Winterer a Non -whining Federal Liberal.
Silverdog1 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:14,925 Points:1,662,240 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 2:16:29 PM Ignore Silverdog1 Report Abuse Oh yeah, being found guilty is certainly better than not being charged -- in the minds of some Liberals. With that sort of thinking, is it any wonder that the NDP are now the official opposition and with historic numbers. What I hear is the moaning and gnashing of teeth by a bunch of poor losers. Not only are the Liberals poor losers, but instead of trying to garner support, they continue whine and moan. Pathetic!
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 1:39:32 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse How many Conservative candidates have been honest enough to open up and let the enquiry examine their records?
Silverdog1 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:14,925 Points:1,662,240 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 12:28:06 PM Ignore Silverdog1 Report Abuse How many Conservative candidates been charged and convicted?
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 11:36:41 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Exactly BD. There's a big difference in how the single Liberal candidate cooperated with the enquiry and when found at fault, owned up to and took responsibility for being in the wrong (note, no denial from any of us OR Mr. Valeriote) when you contrast it with how the Conservatives (plural) have been not only failing to cooperate with but actively obstructing the enquiry and denying any involvement whatsoever, even when one of their own supporters was caught with his hand in the poutine pail. It goes to the integrity and honesty of the politicians on both sides, and one side comes up clearly deficient.
bad_driver98 Champion Author Edmonton Posts:9,884 Points:517,215 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:23:57 AM Ignore bad_driver98 Report Abuse Okay so let me get this straight. They called to inform people of the Conservative Candidates stand of an issue. They did not misdirect them to incorrect polling stations. They did not in any way attempt to suppress their right to vote. They did this for one hour. They apologized and paid their fine. This compares to the Conservative "robo-calls" how? Some quotes from the article that you linked for us; “We appreciate that Mr. Valeriote and the Association fully cooperated with our investigation and committed to comply with the Rules in future campaigns,” said Andrea Rosen, the CRTC’s Chief Compliance and Enforcement Officer, in a press release. "I take full responsibility and apologize for the infringement," Valeriote said. "This has been an important learning experience, not just for me, but for all MPs and future candidates."
Silverdog1 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:14,925 Points:1,662,240 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 5, 2012 11:45:49 AM Ignore Silverdog1 Report Abuse "The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission has found the Liberal riding association in Guelph, Ont. guilty of violating the Telecommunications Act for its use of an automated robocall in the last federal election. The phone message from a fictitious woman told voters that Conservative candidate Marty Burke opposed abortion but failed to inform people that the call was from the local campaign of Liberal candidate Frank Valeriote. The calls made over approximately one hour on April 30, 2011 were found not in compliance with the CRTC's Unsolicited Telecommunications Rules. Liberal MP Frank Valeriote admitted in March that his Guelph campaign sent voters automated telephone messages without identifying their source. Liberal MP Frank Valeriote admitted in March that his Guelph campaign sent voters automated telephone messages without identifying their source. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press) The rules require that calls identify on whose behalf a call is made, provide necessary call-back information and display the originating telephone number or an alternate number where the originator can be reached."CBC News....full story. Looks like the Conservatives are not the only guilty 'party'.
bad_driver98 Champion Author Edmonton Posts:9,884 Points:517,215 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Sep 5, 2012 10:31:01 AM Ignore bad_driver98 Report Abuse While discussion of torture is a stretch in a topic about "robocalls". It is relevant when it shows that how far this government is willing to go and in many ways how out of touch it is with the majority of Canadians.... they won the election with 39.6% of the votes and only 61.1% of the eligible voters voted... So they do NOT represent the majority of Canadians.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Sep 5, 2012 1:06:44 AM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Catspaw, I disagree with you, the Vic Toews thing has a lot to do with robo-calls, the same neo-con policies are behind it all. If they can get away with disgusting practises as rob-calls and condoning torture, what else are they capable of doing ? If decent people of Canada don't protest these indecent activity's what is next? Stocking up on skin bleachers . Winterer
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 11:44:31 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse This time I agree with you Mad. Vic Toews and torture has nothing to do with the robocalls issue (that we know of). It doesn't belong here.
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:18,892 Points:1,124,555 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 5:10:51 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse Amazing where we are on a thread about robocalls. Not against this, just a comment.
bad_driver98 Champion Author Edmonton Posts:9,884 Points:517,215 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 11:56:39 AM Ignore bad_driver98 Report Abuse Most reading that I have done on torture indicates that it has a harsher effect in the long term on the practitioner than it does on the victim. If they start out mentally stable then their actions lead to mental breakdowns and if they are not stable then they escalate the violence of the torture to no real effect. People being tortured will say anything to get it to stop. I did read somewhere that World War Two intelligence officers in the Pacific Theatre found that they got more out of Japanese prisoners with kindness, which they did not expect than they did with torture.... Our Federal government seems to be lacking some important components to their "moral" compass.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:22,926 Points:3,530,310 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 3:12:21 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse It is easy to say the end justifies the means, and several in the US Politics thread have expressed such a sentiment in the past, when it came to the prisoners in Abu Ghraib, or Guantanamo Bay. However, I have a problem with saying the end justifies the means when the person tortured is an innocent. The stains left by the treatment of people such as Maher Arar and Khalid El-Masri just don't clean up, despite the CIA calling their transport and handing over to other countries "erroneous rendition". But, I guess it is more important for Toews and the CONServatives to toady up to the US than to worry about the rights of Canadian citizens. Condoleezza Rice: “the United States has not transported anyone, and will not transport anyone, to a country when we believe he will be tortured. Where appropriate, the United States seeks assurances that transferred persons will not be tortured." Yeah, that and a dollar will get you tossed out of Starbucks and into a Syrian jail! [Edited by: rumbleseat at 9/3/2012 3:14:03 AM EST]
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 1:05:01 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Having been closely associated with a Mennonite college when I was at university (I dated several of the girls), such stories as Mr. Jantz tells there are common knowledge within the Mennonite community. I don't believe there is any way Vic isn't aware of them.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 11:16:49 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Again there will be an attempt for the neo-cons to bury this: . Vic Toews and a history of torture . Have a nice Day. Winterer
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 4:43:03 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse I would think it will be in the other Federal Political parties to keep it in the Public eye. We pretty well know that big Media is in a relationship with the Harperites, so I look at the fairly new web based social media as face book etc. they do seem to keep news fairly current. The world of news has changed and sometimes the political leadership doesn't understand what is happening. Have a nice day especially to cous rouges alberta. Winterer
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 8:36:07 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Is it time for an official inquiry into the robocall scandal? Let's make sure that the public hasn't forgotten the Harperites sweeping this under the rug when it's next time to vote.
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2012 4:09:58 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Winterer, I see the same thing happening here with Toronto's ultra-neo-con mayor, Rob Ford. Last week he was photographed driving on the Gardiner Expressway at 70 kph while reading over a speech he was going to present at an upcoming meeting. He had the papers in front of his face while driving at highway speeds! When asked about it, his response was "So what, I'm a busy man". The mayor's job comes with a car and driver but he refuses to let anybody drive him saying that he's trying to save the city money. But how much money would he save if he's involved in an accident and found to have been reading, texting or talking on the phone? (He's been caught doing all 3). In his position the city would be sued for many millions of dollars. Enough to pay for a LOT of drivers. And yet, I just came across a discussion site where his loyal Conservative followers were making excuses for him, saying that it's "all right, he IS a busy man", and "if you can't do more than one thing at a time you shouldn't be driving". Apparently according to modern conservatives, they can do no wrong, no matter what. But look at the kinds of things they say about liberals and you'd think no liberal ever did anything right.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2012 3:52:06 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Santa: I am in agreement with you, when the Neo-con Harperite screw up, the want people to forget. The neo-con groupies are always happy to obey or be paid to either change the subject or bury the embarrassment under new news or insults. We can even see it happening here. Winterer
Santa Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:25,434 Points:3,819,395 Joined:Dec 2001	Message Posted: Aug 22, 2012 10:44:38 AM Ignore Santa Report Abuse Good for Elizabeth May. At least she's keeping the issue alive in the electorate's minds. I would imagine it's very doubtful she'll get anywhere with her request of Her Majesty, but it will still make a point. More importantly, I think all the opposition parties need to do more to keep the issue front and centre where it belongs. We know from bitter experience that this government just likes to deny blatantly and let things fade out of the collective awareness, and sadly, it seems to work.
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 4:20:10 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Winterer, I'd trust Amadinajad and his Ayatollahs more than Harper. At least we KNOW where they're coming from and what they want.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 1:13:56 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse We trust the Queen more than Harper. Winterer
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 7:36:58 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Elizabeth May to ask for a Royal Inquiry into the Robo-call scandal Harper et al think that if they deny any it often enough, people will believe them and if they then ignore it, people will forget and it will go away. I'm glad to see that May neither believes them nor will let it go away.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:39:25 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Catspaw; A little more enlightenment on the Robo-calls. Neo=cons fighting not to be in Court . Winterer
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Aug 4, 2012 9:21:36 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Exactly rumble. If the CONservatives were innocent of any wrongdoing in the robocalls scandal, what better way for them to prove their innocence than to turn over the information and assist the inquiry to proceed as fast as possible and get it over and done with. But instead, they have been delaying and blocking it all along, and using every procedural way possible to interfere, which makes them look guilty even if they are innocent. Here's the latest: Tories trying to block new evidence in robocalls case
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:22,926 Points:3,530,310 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Aug 3, 2012 9:45:34 PM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse The Council of Canadians has asked Elections Canada to turn over more information to the Federal Court about its probe into the strange phone calls, including the nature of voter complaints. But Conservative party lawyer Arthur Hamilton says the deadline has passed to file new evidence. The council is backing applications asking the court to review the May 2011 election results in seven ridings where Conservative MPs narrowly won their seats. Source - Canadian Press The CONServatives make themselves look guilty, make it look like they are still trying to hide evidence from the investigation. Seems to me if there was no wrongdoing, the CONServatives would be only too happy to prove it.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Aug 1, 2012 2:25:52 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse another Neo-con in trouble: . Not me . Winterer
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 3:35:28 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse another nice cartoon: The God Particle . Sorry it doesn't link right, but to a whole page, down near the bottom is Gd Particle. Winterer [Edited by: winterer at 7/23/2012 3:39:16 PM EST]
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 20, 2012 5:57:31 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Here is the Ruling: July 19th ruling, It looks like it goes to court and everyone has to come up with acceptable legal reasons. Have a nice Day; Winterer
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 19, 2012 11:33:56 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse July 19 - Seven court cases challenging the legitimacy of the federal election results in various ridings that were afflicted by the "robocall" elections scandal will proceed! The Federal Court is letting a challenge proceed regarding the 2011 election results in seven ridings across the country.Ayez un beau jour: Winterer
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2012 10:06:11 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Robo Calls, I know nothing . Report on investigation on Rodo calls . Winterer
Roadieboy Champion Author Regina Posts:16,160 Points:2,937,480 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 12:14:58 PM Ignore Roadieboy Report Abuse @Winterer :or for some of us our fathers. (needed a like button)
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 11:44:58 AM Ignore winterer Report Abuse A new post on this A.M.s B.C. forum . . "Our Grandparents didn't vote for Fascists. They shot them. " . Winterer
Santa Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:25,434 Points:3,819,395 Joined:Dec 2001	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2012 2:39:08 AM Ignore Santa Report Abuse And what about that guy to his left, winterer? He clearly couldn't have been any more uncomfortable. He looked like the proverbial kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar! Pretty funny if it wasn't so sad that this is our government.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2012 12:36:13 AM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Here is a look at one of the people involved in robbo-calls, look at the body language. Have and look and decide if this man is telling the truth . Winterer
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,723 Points:1,028,735 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2012 1:04:08 AM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Robbo-calls yet ? . You want us to believe what ? . Winterer
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: May 31, 2012 12:17:29 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse I haven't heard of a date yet. There's some law about how long he can leave it though. Since the original riding was decided by only 26 votes, and went Conservative, it should be an interesting one to watch. Will people again vote Conservative or will they be fed up with so many things?
bad_driver98 Champion Author Edmonton Posts:9,884 Points:517,215 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 30, 2012 8:54:38 AM Ignore bad_driver98 Report Abuse Has Harper announced when the bi-election is regarding the riding that was declared invalid or is he waiting to see if there are going to be more?
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: May 30, 2012 8:18:59 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse There was an article in the paper here just a couple of days ago about 1,100 robocalls under investigation. Don't worry, the public hasn't yet forgotten the dirty tricks file. Wouldn't it be nice if the final report on the robocalls comes out just a couple of months before the next election?
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:22,926 Points:3,530,310 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: May 30, 2012 4:25:41 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse Robocall investigations are ongoing. There are so many stories and so many layers to peel back, it will be a while yet before we hear another shoe drop. Interesting there don't appear to be an federal complaints of robocalls from Alberta, but Elections Alberta has investigated complaints of robocalls at the provincial level, and is trying to determine if parties are behind them. As many as 7 calls a day have been received by some residences, and the RCMP were called in. The Wildrose Party complained voters were getting upset over the frequency of the calls. Elections Alberta was also investigating what appeared to be video advertising encouraging voters to vote strategically against Wild Rose candidates for possible 3rd party advertising violations. Lots of dirty tricks to go around!
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:18,892 Points:1,124,555 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: May 29, 2012 11:47:00 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse What's happening? Haven't heard much on this topic as of late.
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 8:31:42 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse If course it's working BD. Just because the conservatives do stupid things doesn't mean that they're stupid. It just means that they can't come up with new ideas and therefore stick to the ideas that worked in the past (whether conditions have changed now or not is immaterial) and stalling until the public loses interests is an idea that worked for them in the past.
bad_driver98 Champion Author Edmonton Posts:9,884 Points:517,215 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 8:07:06 AM Ignore bad_driver98 Report Abuse The Conservatives seem to have been right about how to deal with issues politically. Other than the occasional post on here I am seeing almost nothing in the media regarding "robocalls', the F-35, or even Bev Oda. Deny, deny, deny and hope the public looses interest seems to be working....
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: May 21, 2012 11:28:14 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Yes, I thought the training was lacking in the last election also. I'm pretty sure that I could have presented the training better than the person who did it. With the democratic rights, interesting that everybody I've heard of thinks that a by-election is the way to restore democratic rights to this riding - except for the Conservative candidate.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:22,926 Points:3,530,310 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: May 21, 2012 10:20:06 PM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse It seemed the training for the last federal election was less than the one before, but there weren't a lot of changes so I had no real problems. I was just surprised to find at the advance polls I worked, I had the information officer duties added to registration officer, but it was only 2 polling stations so it wasn't a problem. On election day we had 8 polling stations as well. We had very few problems, except for the fact almost nobody in the area got cards telling them where the polls were. Elections Canada screwed up the database for rural addresses so a lot of cards didn't get delivered. For the provincial election there was an enumeration and a triple-checked voter list was created. I did 2nd data entry for that, as well as work the polls on election day. As far as the democratic rights of the voters in that district, it seems to me they have just been upheld, and the winner of a properly conducted by-election will be the proper choice of the voters. [Edited by: rumbleseat at 5/21/2012 10:24:07 PM EST]
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: May 21, 2012 1:47:58 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Good points BD. And yes, in looking through the US political threads, it seems to be typical of conservatives to absolutely ever admit to being wrong or that there could be another take on something, and to always blame it on liberals regardless.
bad_driver98 Champion Author Edmonton Posts:9,884 Points:517,215 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 21, 2012 1:08:58 PM Ignore bad_driver98 Report Abuse While this one poll might have been a screw up it is interesting to hear how the Conservative is trying to spin it. He is claiming that the court decision will invalidate the "democratic rights" of the electorate in his riding. Strange how if there are irregularities that give the wrong candidate the seat that can be seen as "right" and when pointed out and corrected that is crushing "democratic rights". This will be an interesting situation to watch. The honest, straight forward way to deal with it would have been to say; "There were mistakes made and to correct those errors we need to have a by-election. Here is my resignation."
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: May 21, 2012 10:36:14 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse The federal election in question, IIRC, there were only two scrutineers at my polling station, both Conservative. And there were 8 polls at the station (I had one of the largest stations in the riding). But yes, you're right. It does seem to be an inordinate number of mistakes. It said that there were well over 100 questionable voters allowed to cast ballots at that poll, far more than should be expected. I'm not sure how well trained some of the election officers are though. I almost always end up having to (re?)train the registration officers and sometimes even the poll clerks and DRO's who work at my station. Not sure how they get through as they do. And yes, I'd be embarrassed and even upset if there were that many mistakes in the polling station I was responsible for. I make sure that if the others aren't sure how to handle something that they come to me to ask.