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Drawing the Line at Power Lines

New York Times -- AS plans for the Keystone XL pipeline faltered over the last six months, its route through a pristine aquifer in Nebraska proved to be its fatal political flaw. Environmental groups had raised numerous other serious objections.

But, in the popular mind, none stuck like the vision of a big pipe full of thick crude coursing under America’s pristine heartland. When President Obama himself finally denied the Keystone permit last month, he focused on the 1,000-mile pipeline’s passage through the delicate Sand Hills and the Ogallala Aquifer, suggesting he might accept an alternative route.

Officials of TransCanada, seemed perplexed by the traction this particular argument gained, as they toured the United States late last year trying to salvage their ailing $7 billion project.

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Submitted Feb 21, 2012 By: Martinman

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kelly1016 Champion Author Victoria Posts:1,953 Points:352,940 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:19:27 PM Ignore kelly1016 Report Abuse To Transcanada Turn the pipeline east to Ontario and Quebec. To the federal government: get oil companies to build refineries here or have the Government build them then sell to finished product to the highest bidder. We need to stop exporting our natural resources in raw form. we could have more employment if we sold finished products.
tutaw Champion Author Kentucky Posts:3,590 Points:841,545 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:17:17 PM Ignore tutaw Report Abuse oh boy
firechief Champion Author New York Posts:3,436 Points:2,064,425 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:09:09 PM Ignore firechief Report Abuse We ned it
N1SJK Sophomore Author New Hampshire Posts:235 Points:487,110 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:08:04 PM Ignore N1SJK Report Abuse Then find the alternative route that spreads the smiles all the way around! C'mon already....
mageetp Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,204 Points:624,885 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:07:55 PM Ignore mageetp Report Abuse You win some and lose some, if you want these items you have to make allowances. Same thing happens when highways and bridges are built, you live with it.
wang91554 Champion Author San Jose Posts:3,165 Points:1,200,830 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:07:14 PM Ignore wang91554 Report Abuse Let the people who have to live near the pipeline have a say.
straz Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,708 Points:540,385 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:06:57 PM Ignore straz Report Abuse Yawn.
esquared Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:8,062 Points:1,969,135 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:06:46 PM Ignore esquared Report Abuse The article is identified as "news analysis" but there was a heck of a lot of undocumented opinion contained therein.
lonewolfhead Champion Author Texas Posts:1,646 Points:561,015 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:05:01 PM Ignore lonewolfhead Report Abuse Just do it
pecos Champion Author Columbus Posts:7,715 Points:2,110,335 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:03:24 PM Ignore pecos Report Abuse The environmentalists will always win out.
NemoIL Champion Author Illinois Posts:3,015 Points:1,311,170 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:03:21 PM Ignore NemoIL Report Abuse Obama does what the "greens" tell him.
swkcpi Champion Author Madison Posts:1,191 Points:103,315 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:01:21 PM Ignore swkcpi Report Abuse I get so sick of these arguments. We had the same argument in Madison, WI about new power lines. Do you want to have electricity in your home of not? After years of arguments they're building it. Now they're arguing about the size of a grocery store. It's too big. The parking lot is too big. People should be walking to the store not driving their cars. People should ride the bus to the store. Just shut up and build the damn thing.
paoli8 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:7,076 Points:1,818,720 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:01:01 PM Ignore paoli8 Report Abuse Can't blame the Canadians for being perplexed. Environmental groups probably told Obama that the pipeline would endanger Oklahoma Polar Bears.
coke_kid Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,536 Points:324,370 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:00:35 PM Ignore coke_kid Report Abuse Obama i just see everything he does killing jobs and screwing the US in every way and untill people get smart and vote him out we will spend more trillions we dont have and run us into the ground with inflation! and some say hes smart? where i dont see it why do you?
ramgas Champion Author Texas Posts:2,155 Points:1,299,180 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 1:00:23 PM Ignore ramgas Report Abuse China will get this oil without a change in opinion.
30mpg80 Champion Author Lexington Posts:10,014 Points:1,485,905 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:59:59 PM Ignore 30mpg80 Report Abuse No power lines, you don't get electricity
us412 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:22,812 Points:2,416,175 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:58:52 PM Ignore us412 Report Abuse "News Analysis" Is that anything like a Editorial? Pure Opinion by a paid Opinionator or for free with an ax to grind! Hooey nevertheless.
robodogy Rookie Author Maryland Posts:98 Points:28,660 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:55:57 PM Ignore robodogy Report Abuse should be able to find a balance. we need jobs.
Tekkie Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:4,333 Points:913,630 Joined:Oct 2003	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:54:52 PM Ignore Tekkie Report Abuse Let us put the problem squarely where it lies; Obozo and his cronies.
SUPERQUACK Champion Author Sacramento Posts:6,116 Points:1,909,880 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:54:26 PM Ignore SUPERQUACK Report Abuse JUST BUILD IT !!!!!!!
puinsai808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,534 Points:725,355 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:54:11 PM Ignore puinsai808 Report Abuse Okay.
Heltonw Champion Author Montana Posts:3,304 Points:1,658,390 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:53:33 PM Ignore Heltonw Report Abuse Build the pipeline.
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:9,062 Points:1,969,990 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:51:30 PM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse The plans for Keystone are not faltering! It is the Administration who are faltering.
w9med Champion Author Gary Posts:1,128 Points:327,845 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:50:45 PM Ignore w9med Report Abuse Why are we still talking instead of building?
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,154 Points:2,370,395 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:49:13 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse first we had global warming nuts now replaced by fracking nuts and enviro nuts.............. time for common sense again.
19sheldon43 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,979 Points:843,010 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:46:40 PM Ignore 19sheldon43 Report Abuse Don't give up Keystone, just one more thing to overcome. Eventually they will run out of objections
daquanabe Champion Author Houston Posts:1,818 Points:373,900 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:46:17 PM Ignore daquanabe Report Abuse ok
iamforiu Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,565 Points:709,690 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:43:59 PM Ignore iamforiu Report Abuse hmmmm
k2kipp Champion Author Minnesota Posts:3,161 Points:1,126,210 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:41:54 PM Ignore k2kipp Report Abuse ...games...
RochBear Champion Author Minnesota Posts:10,462 Points:1,740,965 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:39:01 PM Ignore RochBear Report Abuse a relative has a natural gas line running through his farm. Other than a few signs, you would never know it is there. He farms right over the top of it. It's burried 8 feet down, so there is no problem, and no potential to hit it (unless you are digging with a backhoe. - thus the signs) So a year after the pipeline goes through, you'll never see it.
idigau22 Champion Author Washington Posts:23,397 Points:3,200,035 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:38:38 PM Ignore idigau22 Report Abuse More Smoke & Mirrors!
madison8359 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:9,012 Points:1,592,320 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:38:11 PM Ignore madison8359 Report Abuse Let Canada refine their own oil and spill it there.
Digger52 Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,397 Points:847,735 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:37:16 PM Ignore Digger52 Report Abuse Hhhmmmm. ..
NoStrings Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,387 Points:271,280 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:37:08 PM Ignore NoStrings Report Abuse big money political games
CISA Champion Author Orange County Posts:5,942 Points:1,398,035 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:36:50 PM Ignore CISA Report Abuse BHO is no progressive on energy and power-- try Luddite
deaconjones Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,129 Points:318,705 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:36:44 PM Ignore deaconjones Report Abuse THIS OBAMA CLOWN MUST GO.....HE IS TOO INTELLIGENT FOR ANY OF US POOR SLOBS TO UNDERSTAND.....HE WILL KILL THIS NATION IF ALLOWED TO BE RE-ELECTED.....
silverfoxv65 Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,475 Points:1,228,925 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:35:46 PM Ignore silverfoxv65 Report Abuse I hope they stay perplexed!
RochBear Champion Author Minnesota Posts:10,462 Points:1,740,965 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:35:20 PM Ignore RochBear Report Abuse after reading this article, I again say, people should put solar panels on their own houses, and that way produce your power locally. no BIG transmission lines, since all the power you produce is used either by you, or your close neighbors.
ultm8opie Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,189 Points:531,805 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:35:05 PM Ignore ultm8opie Report Abuse NOBAMA 2012!
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,577 Points:480,780 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:33:13 PM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse There are safer ways to transport energy. But it's more expensive.
mikesr100 Champion Author Sacramento Posts:3,888 Points:1,079,760 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:32:11 PM Ignore mikesr100 Report Abuse Over half the US land is under federal or state lands! The country is for the people not the government fat cats. Frogs, fish,single cell organisms, and horny toads should not have power over people.
fullauto Champion Author Reading Posts:5,310 Points:1,470,115 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:30:42 PM Ignore fullauto Report Abuse blah,blah.
Bill100 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:41,482 Points:1,161,870 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:30:35 PM Ignore Bill100 Report Abuse Build the pipeline.
HailstormCA Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,850 Points:1,471,045 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:29:47 PM Ignore HailstormCA Report Abuse Ho hum...
RedskinGas Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,008 Points:1,129,085 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:29:36 PM Ignore RedskinGas Report Abuse Move the line and lets build it!!!
zonkthegreat Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,642 Points:275,175 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:28:19 PM Ignore zonkthegreat Report Abuse Who care about a pipeline that only helps the Chinese? Canada needs to built their own refineries.
cateyes8264 Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,957 Points:642,615 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:26:45 PM Ignore cateyes8264 Report Abuse Oblunder the king of muslims killed this deal what a idiot
rwrMO Champion Author Missouri Posts:2,546 Points:581,170 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:25:10 PM Ignore rwrMO Report Abuse look at a map of all of our pipe lines and tell me that all the land is pristine!!
gvan Champion Author Chicago Posts:21,526 Points:2,835,315 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:24:58 PM Ignore gvan Report Abuse "cause of Nobama we owe chinese so much money..." You can't possibly be so gullible as to think the billions we owe China are only due to the Obama Administration, can you?
jward069 Sophomore Author Mississippi Posts:167 Points:635,190 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:24:31 PM Ignore jward069 Report Abuse This idiot in chief, Nobama will do anything he can to wreck the economy of the USA.
car54BC Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,327 Points:1,255,005 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:24:14 PM Ignore car54BC Report Abuse When you consider the U.S. already has 2.5 million miles of pipeline in the ground, it does seem strange to oppose another line but keep stalling and the northern pipeline will be built to the west coast and on to Asian markets.
Holly123 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,197 Points:789,235 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:23:06 PM Ignore Holly123 Report Abuse Oh brother ....