JoeKR

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 6:37:48 PM
So next we'll have a Wind cartel?
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jwalkerh

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Louisiana
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 2:10:45 PM
Solar, wind, hydro, etc., we need it all now .
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OHMS

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 1:22:36 PM
that would blow if the big firms did that to the little windies; doesn't Hollywood award windies for that?
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Cheepo

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:57:06 PM
Do not conserve to get US going again!!!!!!!
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bluebird1

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:56:14 PM
Subsidizing big co.'s to take over smaller ones is a future nightmare to unfold...not only reduces competition but stifles innovation & variety. Here, environmentalists are stifling wind power as well (I think its mainly the 'not in my backyard' syndrome but may be more to it) & was unexpected. They site everything from bird migratory paths, noise (guess not a quiet as a nuke????), magnetic fields, extra wiring etc. Not sure if they are on board for anything but conservation, but you have to make something before you can 'save' it.
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arvo87

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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:43:04 PM
more wind power the better,,, I do think its unfair to subsidise takeovers though
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357revo

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:41:30 PM
A lot of the reasoning behind the money going to the big operators is so much BS.
The more probable reason is that the big companies have the resources to grease the palms of the politicians writing the legislation to finance the 'green revolution'.... which is the only way that wind energy is cost-effective.
Big companies are waiting for the big money to get appropriated, so they can get it. If necessary, they'll buy up a small company that's got innovative technology under patent. More likely, they'll just suck up the small companies to eliminate competition.
[Edited by: 357revo at 11/7/2009 12:41:50 PM EST]
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SgtV

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Corpus Christi
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:37:27 PM
more green,
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MalibuGordie

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California
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:34:14 PM
This is called "Economy of Scale". Big companies can command greater resources, so they can deliver more of something quicker and usually cheaper. Not to mention the appropriate legislators relative that works for the company (and probably owns shares in the company).
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Dipstick1

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Amarillo
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:28:35 PM
So they will be blown away?
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tucker355

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Manitoba
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:27:35 PM
every company should be able to collect some kind of funding
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DieselCash

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Texas
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:24:57 PM
ok
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dougrusty

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:24:03 PM
Everybody should have one of their own.
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AC-302

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:19:09 PM
Interesting that the subsidies are going to go to big companies, not the smaller ones actually doing the legwork. Sorry? Why are their subsidies at all?
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Jizme

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Lincoln
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:18:23 PM
Time will tell all.
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pricechecker08

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:17:12 PM
They sure have enough excuses.
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sg413

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California
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:16:36 PM
There's always a price that someone will pay.
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skyhawkcam

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Richmond
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:15:44 PM
We'll see.
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sleepyt

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:15:38 PM
For those of you who complain about "Obama Socialism", this is REAL Socialism!
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toyrunner300

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Calgary
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:15:15 PM
Interesting, and same story as usual. Big firms will get everything and they will be able to raise price and make more money like they are doing with oil, so they won't any difference for us...
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14of45SSR

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Saskatchewan
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:13:48 PM
That isn't fair for the small guy trying to make a buck! All the big guys are going to do is buy them up & shut them down so they can make big bucks! Resulting in us paying more than what we would have to!
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rowing

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Macon
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:12:15 PM
this could help the usa
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jimshell

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:11:06 PM
Looking at all methods.
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dwgt.net

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Nevada
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:04:40 PM
Is the government stupid? Solar farms will create jobs and cut down on global warming through less CO2 production, and the fuel is free. Electric rates may go down helping everyone's ecomony.
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04tang

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 12:01:34 PM
Wind and Solar could be a big step toward Energy Independence.
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braves89

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:58:46 AM
agree with lvpeg
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lvpeg

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California
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:54:10 AM
I am all for wind energy!
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la90042

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:51:44 AM
need to keep the alternatives coming. Every little bit helps.
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72_Monte

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:51:37 AM
The small firms are going to have to buddy-up & start themselves a cooperative.
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beckahrah

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:49:05 AM
Wind power is good. Just be glad it's spreading. Its cheap, clean, and it reduces the need for foreign oil and reduces oil prices.
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raftafarian

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Colorado Springs
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:47:57 AM
the little guys often get squashed by the big ones. it's not exactly good karma, but what can be done about it?
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BWD

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Charleston
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:47:33 AM
Sounds like another case of the big not wanting the small to make progress.
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Prodaddy

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Houston
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:45:57 AM
This seems to be how business works today
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gasman50

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Portland
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:45:46 AM
Everybody wants to buy low and sell high, not always possible though
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hibsaw

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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:45:10 AM
It always starts with the little guy.
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CharlieC08

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:43:49 AM
Small business has a tough row to hoe.
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Helms

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Fort Worth
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:42:51 AM
yeah...why don;t we get big oil to vuy them up....then they can crush the competition....and charge more for their products because its the only game in town...great plan....worked in the 50's and 70's and it could work again.....man how about another round of million dollar bonuses just for the great idea!!!
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beachbumCA

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Riverside
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:36:55 AM
This is how business works. Look at the auto industry. About 1905 we had over 100 auto companys. How many today? (Count only the ones that the government does not control)
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wolfshadow12

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Riverside
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:36:01 AM
Winds of Change
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LetemEatCake

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:35:17 AM
tml721 from Dayton...
Do you have an article you could share on this Wind Farm in Ohio. The numbers sound off...400 Windmills to power 600 homes? There is a problem here.
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RedRam2005

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:34:53 AM
Change you can depend on!
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jimgraham

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Akron
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:31:58 AM
And to think that "We the People" are funding the gross profits of the Wall Street "investment" bankers once again.
Thanks a lot DC.
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MahopacJack

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New York
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:30:30 AM
Any industry that is capital intensive, will have a huge barrier for small companies to overcome. While not impossible, its very unlikely.
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Daveyfudd

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Jackson
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:29:58 AM
Money always goes to big special interest.
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playtimeCLE

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:28:04 AM
I guess this is the nature of any business.
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Patch44

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Buffalo
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:28:03 AM
Takeovers have been going on for years. Survival of the strongest!
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bicycler

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:20:29 AM
danny999; Too bad!
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danny999

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Florida
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:19:01 AM
BIG SHARKS SWALLOW UP LITTLE MINNOWS.
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REKEY

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:14:48 AM
I'd install a wind unit if I could, every house should have one!
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POLELANE

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2009 11:14:30 AM
columbus could tax ohio pipelines
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